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197005

2 cars · 102 seats · 100 mph · first seen 31 Jul 2026

Last seen yesterday
5D35 Chester → Chester Middle Yard
Transport for Wales · Wed 11 Nov, 00:57
Out in the last 30 days
27
days of 30
Miles since 31 Jul
47,924
about 504 a day out
Lifetime miles
479,506
from its odometer
Logged
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sightings on RailFeed

Workings

Last 30 days, every train it was booked on
Yesterday2 workings
00:28 5D88 Wrexham General → Chester empty On time
00:57 5D35 Chester → Chester Middle Yard empty Cancelled
Tuesday 10 November15 workings · 681 mi
00:06 5W89 ? → ? empty
01:42 5W89 Crewe → Crewe C.s. empty 12 min late
03:45 5V91 Crewe C.s. → Shrewsbury empty 15 min late
05:37 1F91 Shrewsbury → Liverpool Lime Street 9 min late
10:34 1F96 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 5 min late
15:04 2D65 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
15:20 2D66 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
15:34 1F91 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 5 min late
17:47 1D11 Liverpool Lime Street → Llandudno 14 min late
20:11 1G76 Llandudno → Birmingham New Street 4 min late
20:38 2D21 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
22:04 1K22 Llandudno → Crewe On time
23:33 1J88 Crewe → Wrexham General On time
Monday 9 November12 workings · 796 mi
05:05 5D52 Crewe C.s. → Crewe empty 2 min late
05:15 5D52 Crewe → Crewe empty On time
05:19 2J40 Crewe → Shrewsbury 20 min late
06:22 2K40 Shrewsbury → Crewe 9 min late
07:33 1I06 Crewe → Birmingham International On time
10:08 1J61 ? → ?
20:08 1J63 ? → ?
21:35 5J63 ? → ? empty
22:22 1W89 Cardiff Central → Crewe 8 min late
Sunday 8 November7 workings · 1,027 mi
00:27 5W74 Shrewsbury → Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs empty
09:28 5W52 Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs → Shrewsbury empty 3 min late
09:55 1W52 Shrewsbury → Manchester Piccadilly 3 min late
11:29 1V74 Manchester Piccadilly → Swansea On time
16:54 1W62 Swansea → Manchester Piccadilly 2 min late
21:35 1K80 Manchester Piccadilly → Crewe On time
22:22 5D80 Crewe → Crewe C.s. empty On time
Saturday 7 November13 workings · 314 mi
01:37 5V99 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty Cancelled
07:20 5B53 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 4 min late
07:35 2B53 Cardiff Central → Swansea On time
12:34 2B58 Swansea → Newport (South Wales) 3 min late
14:35 5B25 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
17:39 5B81 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 3 min late
17:50 2B81 Cardiff Central → Swansea 3 min late
18:33 2B80 Carmarthen → Cardiff Central 8 min late
21:40 5B62 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 11 min late
22:00 5W74 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 11 min late
22:08 1B62 Cardiff Central → Carmarthen 27 min late
22:15 1W74 Cardiff Central → Shrewsbury 7 min late
Friday 6 November10 workings
04:13 5H81 Holyhead depot → Holyhead empty On time
04:57 1H80 Holyhead → Manchester Airport On time
08:25 1D33 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 4 min late
10:02 5D33 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty Cancelled
14:02 1H90 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 7 min late
15:32 5H90 Chester D.m.u.d. → Chester empty Cancelled
17:25 1D32 Manchester Airport → Holyhead On time
19:52 2D32 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno 4 min late
22:22 1V99 Chester → Cardiff Central On time
Thursday 5 November16 workings · 1,153 mi
00:02 5K16 Chester D.m.u.d. → Crewe South Yard empty Stopped at Crewe
02:40 5H78 Crewe South Yard → Chester empty On time
04:46 5J03 Chester → Wrexham General empty On time
05:40 1K03 Wrexham General → Crewe On time
06:39 1J54 Crewe → Wrexham General On time
07:00 1H83 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 22 min late
07:23 5K05 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
07:40 1K05 Wrexham General → Crewe 5 min late
08:23 1J58 Crewe → Wrexham General Stopped at Chester
09:12 5K07 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty Cancelled
09:40 1K07 Wrexham General → Crewe On time
10:25 1D35 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 8 min late
14:02 1H90 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 5 min late
17:25 1D32 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 15 min late
20:50 5D32 Holyhead → Holyhead depot empty
23:37 5D35 Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs → Shrewsbury empty On time
Wednesday 4 November18 workings
04:43 5D10 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno Junction empty On time
06:19 2D11 Blaenau Ffestiniog → Llandudno 5 min late
12:04 2D61 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
12:20 2D62 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
16:42 2D67 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
16:55 2D68 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
17:34 1F93 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 6 min late
19:47 1D13 Liverpool Lime Street → Chester 8 min late
20:58 1K19 Chester → Crewe On time
21:23 1J84 Crewe → Wrexham General 31 min late
22:09 5D85 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty 21 min late
22:38 1D85 Wrexham General → Chester 14 min late
23:01 5D85 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty Cancelled
Tuesday 3 November11 workings · 796 mi
04:13 5H81 Holyhead depot → Holyhead empty On time
04:57 1H80 Holyhead → Manchester Airport Stopped at Manchester Piccadilly
08:25 1D33 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 12 min late
10:02 5D33 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty Cancelled
15:32 5H90 Chester D.m.u.d. → Chester empty Cancelled
16:34 1F92 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 7 min late
17:25 1D32 Manchester Airport → Holyhead On time
18:48 1D12 Liverpool Lime Street → Llandudno 6 min late
20:42 2D71 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction 6 min late
20:55 2D72 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno 5 min late
21:10 2D73 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
Monday 2 November8 workings · 63 mi
00:35 5K26 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty On time
06:34 5D30 Chester D.m.u.d. → Chester empty On time
06:53 1D30 Chester → Holyhead On time
09:05 1H85 Holyhead → Manchester Airport Stopped at Manchester Piccadilly
12:25 1D37 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 9 min late
16:02 1H92 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 5 min late
19:25 1D44 Manchester Airport → Holyhead On time
22:56 5D44 Holyhead → Holyhead depot empty
Sunday 1 November28 workings · 795 mi
09:51 5J80 Wrexham General → Chester empty On time
10:54 2J80 Chester → Wrexham General On time
11:14 5D80 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
11:30 2D80 Wrexham General → Chester On time
12:07 2J82 Chester → Wrexham General On time
12:24 5D82 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
12:40 2D82 Wrexham General → Chester On time
13:01 2J84 Chester → Wrexham General On time
13:18 5D84 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
13:32 2D84 Wrexham General → Chester On time
14:00 2J86 Chester → Wrexham General On time
14:18 5D86 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
14:30 2D86 Wrexham General → Chester On time
15:00 2J88 Chester → Wrexham General On time
15:17 5D88 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
15:30 2D88 Wrexham General → Chester On time
16:15 2J90 Chester → Wrexham General On time
16:32 5D90 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
16:43 2D90 Wrexham General → Chester On time
17:13 2J92 Chester → Wrexham General On time
17:34 5D92 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty On time
17:50 2D92 Wrexham General → Chester 3 min late
18:10 2J94 Chester → Wrexham General 13 min late
18:16 5D77 Llandudno Junction → Chester D.m.u.d. empty On time
18:27 5D94 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty 18 min late
18:39 1K18 Wrexham General → Chester 14 min late
19:52 1D34 Chester → Holyhead 29 min late
22:20 1K26 Holyhead → Chester 9 min late
Saturday 31 October13 workings · 680 mi
05:49 5D49 Chester Middle Yard → Llandudno empty On time
08:04 2D55 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
08:20 2D56 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
08:34 1F94 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 8 min late
10:47 1D04 Liverpool Lime Street → Llandudno 2 min late
13:34 1F99 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 9 min late
15:47 1D09 Liverpool Lime Street → Llandudno 3 min late
17:42 2D76 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
17:55 2D78 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
18:34 1F94 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 4 min late
20:47 1D14 Liverpool Lime Street → Chester 3 min late
21:34 5D14 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty Cancelled
23:30 5J99 Chester D.m.u.d. → Wrexham General empty 61 min late
Thursday 29 October22 workings · 47 mi
00:09 5K76 Shrewsbury → Crewe C.s. empty On time
04:54 5J40 Crewe C.s. → Crewe empty 4 min late
05:19 2J40 Crewe → Shrewsbury 7 min late
06:21 5J40 Shrewsbury → Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs empty On time
08:06 5K46 Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs → Shrewsbury empty On time
08:19 2K46 Shrewsbury → Crewe 2 min late
09:19 2J48 Crewe → Shrewsbury On time
10:19 2K50 Shrewsbury → Crewe
11:19 2J54 Crewe → Shrewsbury On time
12:19 2K54 Shrewsbury → Crewe
13:19 2J56 Crewe → Shrewsbury 7 min late
14:19 2K58 Shrewsbury → Crewe On time
15:19 2J60 Crewe → Shrewsbury On time
16:16 2K62 Shrewsbury → Crewe 3 min late
17:19 2J66 Crewe → Shrewsbury On time
18:26 2K64 Shrewsbury → Crewe On time
19:36 2J70 Crewe → Shrewsbury On time
20:35 2K72 Shrewsbury → Crewe On time
21:23 1J84 Crewe → Wrexham General On time
22:09 5D85 Wrexham General → Wrexham General empty 20 min late
22:38 1D85 Wrexham General → Chester 11 min late
23:01 5D36 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty Cancelled
Wednesday 28 October7 workings · 1,121 mi
04:58 5V88 Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs → Shrewsbury empty On time
05:15 1V88 Shrewsbury → Fishguard Harbour On time
10:09 2E10 Fishguard Harbour → Carmarthen On time
13:55 2E00 Carmarthen → Milford Haven On time
15:06 1W24 Milford Haven → Manchester Piccadilly 19 min late
21:30 1K74 Manchester Piccadilly → Crewe 9 min late
22:10 5K74 Crewe → Crewe C.s. empty 15 min late
Tuesday 27 October9 workings · 612 mi
06:04 5V92 Holyhead depot → Holyhead empty On time
06:25 1V92 Holyhead → Cardiff Central On time
11:25 5V92 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
13:01 5W95 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 2 min late
13:23 1W95 Cardiff Central → Holyhead 10 min late
18:35 1K18 Holyhead → Crewe On time
21:05 5K18 Crewe → Crewe empty On time
22:19 2J74 Crewe → Shrewsbury 2 min late
23:08 5J74 Shrewsbury → Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs empty
Monday 26 October1 working
00:55 5D32 Holyhead → Holyhead depot empty
Sunday 25 October9 workings
08:27 5K06 Holyhead depot → Holyhead empty On time
08:46 1K06 Holyhead → Crewe 27 min late
11:35 1D14 Crewe → Holyhead 10 min late
14:30 1H87 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 11 min late
18:41 1D39 Manchester Airport → Chester 9 min late
20:09 5D39 Chester → Chester Middle Yard empty Cancelled
21:37 5K23 Chester Middle Yard → Chester empty Cancelled
21:52 1K23 Chester → Crewe On time
22:29 1D32 Crewe → Holyhead Stopped at Abergele & Pensarn
Saturday 24 October15 workings · 507 mi
00:13 5D16 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty Cancelled
03:35 5H77 Chester D.m.u.d. → Chester empty Cancelled
03:52 1H77 Chester → Manchester Airport On time
05:25 1D30 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 7 min late
09:02 1H85 Holyhead → Manchester Airport Stopped at Manchester Piccadilly
10:02 1H86 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 5 min late
12:25 1D37 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 42 min late
13:25 1D38 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 20 min late
16:02 1H92 Holyhead → Manchester Airport Stopped at Manchester Oxford Road
17:00 1H93 Holyhead → Manchester Airport Stopped at Manchester Piccadilly
19:25 1D44 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 15 min late
20:25 1D35 Manchester Airport → Chester 19 min late
22:22 2J99 Chester → Shrewsbury 8 min late
22:56 5D44 Holyhead → Holyhead depot empty
23:27 5K98 Shrewsbury → Crewe C.s. empty 2 min late
Friday 23 October22 workings · 1,098 mi
00:01 5J98 Wrexham General → Chester D.m.u.d. empty 7 min late
00:02 5K16 Chester D.m.u.d. → Crewe South Yard empty Stopped at Crewe
04:23 5D49 Chester Middle Yard → Llandudno Junction empty On time
05:23 2D48 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
05:35 2D49 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
05:50 2D50 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
05:58 1H82 Holyhead → Manchester Airport 3 min late
06:05 2D51 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
06:20 2D52 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno On time
06:40 2H82 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction On time
09:25 1D34 Manchester Airport → Holyhead Stopped at Warrington Bank Quay
13:34 1F99 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street 5 min late
15:47 1D09 Liverpool Lime Street → Llandudno 12 min late
16:25 1D31 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 5 min late
17:42 2D69 Llandudno → Llandudno Junction 12 min late
17:55 2D70 Llandudno Junction → Llandudno 10 min late
18:34 1F94 Llandudno → Liverpool Lime Street Stopped at Chester
19:25 1D44 Manchester Airport → Holyhead 18 min late
20:47 1D14 Liverpool Lime Street → Chester Cancelled
22:02 1F96 Chester → Liverpool Lime Street On time
22:56 5D44 Holyhead → Holyhead depot empty
23:22 1D16 Liverpool Lime Street → Chester On time
Thursday 22 October13 workings · 620 mi
05:00 5G43 Gloucester → Cheltenham Spa empty On time
05:38 2G43 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central On time
07:10 2G50 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa 8 min late
08:27 5G49 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty 7 min late
08:43 2G49 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central 6 min late
10:10 2G56 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa 6 min late
11:27 5G55 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty 2 min late
11:40 2G55 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central On time
13:17 5V94 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty Cancelled
14:59 5W96 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty On time
15:23 1W96 Cardiff Central → Holyhead On time
20:26 1D20 Holyhead → Chester On time
22:35 5D20 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty On time
Wednesday 21 October9 workings · 107 mi
00:30 1W78 Cardiff Central → Hereford On time
02:20 5B07 Hereford → Hereford empty On time
05:30 2B07 Hereford → Cardiff Central On time
06:44 1B58 Cardiff Central → Pembroke Dock 11 min late
11:02 2B60 Pembroke Dock → Cardiff Central 4 min late
14:51 2B69 Cardiff Central → Pembroke Dock 6 min late
19:05 2B84 Pembroke Dock → Cardiff Central 9 min late
22:44 5G82 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty On time
23:39 2G82 Cardiff Central → Gloucester 2 min late
Tuesday 20 October13 workings · 1,058 mi
05:28 5L13 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 10 min late
05:39 5L14 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty On time
06:13 2L14 Cardiff Central → Maesteg 19 min late
07:07 2N09 Maesteg → Ebbw Vale Town Stopped at Llanhilleth
09:07 2L22 Ebbw Vale Town → Maesteg 16 min late
11:07 2N17 Maesteg → Ebbw Vale Town 6 min late
13:07 2L30 Ebbw Vale Town → Maesteg On time
15:07 2N25 Maesteg → Ebbw Vale Town Stopped at Llanhilleth
17:07 2L38 Ebbw Vale Town → Maesteg Stopped at Cardiff Central
17:09 2N29 Maesteg → Ebbw Vale Town Stopped at Bridgend
19:07 2O42 Ebbw Vale Town → Maesteg 4 min late
21:11 2N37 Maesteg → Ebbw Vale Town On time
23:13 2V85 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
Monday 19 October19 workings · 444 mi
00:41 5V91 Seaforth & Litherland → ? empty
05:00 5G43 Gloucester → Cheltenham Spa empty On time
05:38 2G43 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central On time
07:10 2G50 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa On time
08:27 5G49 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty On time
08:43 2G49 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central 6 min late
10:10 2G56 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa On time
11:27 5G55 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty 2 min late
11:40 2G55 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central On time
13:10 2G62 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa 9 min late
14:27 5G61 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty 13 min late
14:37 2G61 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central 8 min late
16:10 2G68 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa 6 min late
17:27 5G67 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty On time
17:45 2G67 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central On time
19:10 2G74 Cardiff Central → Cheltenham Spa 4 min late
20:29 5G73 Cheltenham Spa → Cheltenham Spa empty 4 min late
20:41 2G73 Cheltenham Spa → Cardiff Central Cancelled
22:04 5B60 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty Cancelled
Sunday 18 October20 workings · 701 mi
00:10 5F35 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
07:33 5N05 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty On time
07:44 2N05 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town On time
08:52 2V96 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
10:04 2I09 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town On time
11:14 2O26 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
12:30 5O26 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
12:31 1V93 Manchester Piccadilly → Milford Haven Stopped at Swansea
12:59 5I17 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty 4 min late
13:08 2I17 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town On time
14:21 2O54 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
15:35 5I21 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty 9 min late
16:04 2I21 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town On time
17:18 2O70 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
18:29 2G58 Cardiff Central → Gloucester 3 min late
18:31 5O70 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty Cancelled
20:31 2G61 Gloucester → Cardiff Central 9 min late
20:56 1W71 Carmarthen → Hereford On time
21:58 5G62 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty On time
22:35 2G62 Cardiff Central → Gloucester 59 min late
Saturday 17 October21 workings · 645 mi
00:01 5K16 Chester D.m.u.d. → Crewe South Yard empty Stopped at Crewe
04:25 5N01 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Ebbw Vale Town empty On time
06:00 2F60 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
07:06 2N08 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town On time
09:07 5N14 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty 2 min late
10:06 2N14 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town On time
12:06 5N20 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty 9 min late
13:06 2N20 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town 5 min late
13:48 5V39 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
14:45 5W61 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty On time
15:07 5N26 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty Cancelled
16:06 2N26 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town 4 min late
18:07 5N32 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Central empty Cancelled
19:06 2N32 Cardiff Central → Ebbw Vale Town 5 min late
20:07 2F89 Ebbw Vale Town → Cardiff Central On time
21:19 5F89 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
21:55 5V62 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty 2 min late
Friday 16 October9 workings · 424 mi
08:15 5K03 Wrexham General → Chester Middle Yard empty
08:25 1V94 Holyhead → Cardiff Central 8 min late
13:17 5V94 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty 8 min late
15:23 1W96 Cardiff Central → Holyhead 5 min late
15:54 5B50 Cardiff Canton Sidings → Cardiff Central empty On time
16:06 1B50 Cardiff Central → Milford Haven 3 min late
19:01 1B60 Milford Haven → Cardiff Central On time
22:04 5B60 Cardiff Central → Cardiff Canton Sidings empty On time
22:35 5D20 Chester → Chester D.m.u.d. empty 44 min late
Thursday 15 October15 workings · 348 mi
09:25 1D34 Manchester Airport → Holyhead On time
10:48 2F62 Wrexham General → Bidston Cancelled
11:51 2J64 Bidston → Wrexham General Cancelled
13:05 2F72 Wrexham General → Bidston 3 min late
14:06 2J74 Bidston → Wrexham General On time
15:18 2F80 Wrexham General → Bidston 4 min late
16:21 2J84 Bidston → Wrexham Central 5 min late
16:25 1D31 Manchester Airport → Holyhead On time
17:42 2F90 Wrexham Central → Bidston 3 min late
18:47 2J92 Bidston → Wrexham General 5 min late
19:46 2F94 Wrexham General → Bidston 9 min late
20:47 2J96 Bidston → Wrexham General 10 min late
21:57 2F98 Wrexham General → Bidston On time
22:58 2J98 Bidston → Wrexham General On time
23:59 5J98 Wrexham General → Birkenhead North depot empty Cancelled

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